>> OH TERESA?
The "Mother" of All House Parties
The East Bay for Kerry/MoveOn House party on December 7th combined the forces of two grass-roots organizations based in San Francisco East Bay Area. We had 200 guests eating, drinking, and watching the MoveOn Documentary "Uncovered" featuring Joseph Wilson and Rand Beers from the Kerry campaign.
When Teresa Heinz-Kerry arrived, she handed me a pin that read in the center: "Asses of Evil" with "Bush", "Cheney", "Rumsfeld" and "Ashcroft" surrounding it. She met, greeted and talked to a jam-packed room of Kerry supporters and others who came for the MoveOn documentary. Many were curious, others undecided, or belonging to other candidate camps.
Teresa talked about her life as the daughter of a physician in Africa, about life during a repressive regime, to life inside Washington DC, and a brief intimate glimpse into her courtship with John. She told a rapt crowd about how they met and their first date, and that he did not call again for six months, adding, "He was slow on the uptake". Just as she was about to add more to the story, the phone rang. It was the Senator.
The synchronicity of this call was not lost on the crowd. We all laughed. John then spoke about the Medicare Bill recently signed by the president that effectively forces people into expensive HMO plans and prevents Medicare from using its formidable consumer base to drive the bulk purchase of expensive prescription drugs down. He also spoke about the recent Bush Thanksgiving visit to our military in Iraq, carrying a platter laden down with a fake turkey, smiling for a photo op.
People were hungry for the food we had prepared, but more so, hungry for John's message of hope. After the call, Teresa took questions from the crowd. One of the questions was about grass-roots organizing, and the effect it had on the current presidential campaigns. Teresa responded that grass-roots has to happen at EVERY level, from the Internet, to canvassing and meeting people, to letter writing and phone calling. She reminded us that this was the way to connect with others and to get the message out.
A PBS producer working on a documentary on MoveOn interviewed Teresa. He asked, "Just as radio was for Roosevelt, and television was for Kennedy, the Internet has been defined as the new political grass-roots organizing tool for this era. What is your reaction to that?"
Teresa said, "The Internet is a great grass-roots organizing and political tool; but it is still an adjunct." The producer asked her to clarify. Teresa responded, "Until EVERYONE has access to a computer and knows how to access the Internet, it will still be an adjunct political grassroots organizing tool".
It was hard for Teresa to stay on schedule. The lovely voice of opera singer, Susan Gundunas was on hand to sing a few tunes, and that kept Teresa with us a while longer than expected. Before saying goodbye, she took with her some "Condoleezza Rice Crispies Bars" and "No Child Left Behind Chocolate Chip Cookies", sold to generate donations to the cause. She left with a lilt to her step, a warm smile, and some new converts, some of whom were uncommitted and undecided, and some who were definitely committed, but came over to our camp. Because of her.
She gave us a bit of what she does best, connecting us as a community with her heart, compassion, and willingness to fight throughout all her life for the good of all of us. As her husband, John Kerry has throughout his life. Teresa completed the picture many people had unfinished about John Kerry. Now they know they have a "Real Deal". From baking cookies, gathering food donations, staying up late cooking chicken wings, putting up artwork, and decorating that beautiful rambling modern home in the Oakland Hills, we at East Bay for Kerry did our job because we believe grass roots efforts include all of these finer, human details. We brought in more than 80 people to John's birthday party the next night, bringing the room to capacity at 350 the following night
Thanks to Teresa, we kept the party going on, and she helped us here at East Bay for Kerry, throw the Mother of All House Parties.
Fe Bongolan - December 11, 2003
East Bay for Kerry - Berkeley, CA
OFFICIAL 'KERRY FOR PRESIDENT' WEBSITE RIDDLED WITH OBSCENITIES
**Exclusive**
Sen. John Kerry's official election website is riddled with obscenities, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.
The Democrat nominee-in-waiting recently said radio stations are within their right to pull Howard Stern off the air if they object to the shock jock's racy show.
But an investigation reveals Kerry's own website is filled expletives, setting the standard for a new wave of 21st Century campaigning!
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A sampling of web pages featured on Kerry's official site reveal:
"Bush f**ked up Afghanistan... Did I expect George Bush to f**k it up as badly as he did... cutting all your f**king legs off at the knees... Where the f**k is he?... scare the living s**t out of me... He has a pig-in-s**t grin on his face, he wanted to get into the s**t... doesn't play s**t in my book..."
In fact, typing in the terms "F**k" or "S**t" in the search box of the official Kerry For President site directly links the reader to the action!
A campaign source tells the DRUDGE REPORT that "John Kerry For President" online simply contains published material, and the senator was simply unaware on Sunday that the expletives were being carried on his own Internet server. [A search on the official Bush/Cheney re-election revealed no such curse words.]
"I think you'll see the offensive words removed," the top campaign source said.
Unlike over the air broadcast, there are no known foul language rules for official campaign websites.
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>> CONVERSATION WITH A KNOWING IRAQI...
http://www.speakingoffaith.org/programs/2004/03/04_islaminiraq/
Ahmed H. al-Rahim teaches Arabic language and literature at Harvard University. He's also a founding member of the American Islamic Congress, and has served as an advisor to American forces in Iraq.
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THE UNITED STATES, in Iraq and elsewhere, should cease promoting a secular civil society as the only alternative to a Taliban-like Shia theocracy. We cannot quell the religious yearnings of millions of Iraqis (and many others elsewhere) merely by fostering strong political and economic institutions and the sound values they embody -- to wit, democracy and capitalism. The most effective way to counter a theocracy is to include moderate, liberal religious elements in the civil society we are helping to erect.
The First Amendment's disestablishment clause is not a foreign policy tool, but a peculiarly American conception. Just because the American government is banned from promoting religion within the United States does not mean that the State Department and the Pentagon cannot promote religion overseas in societies that are undergoing profound societal changes. This last point is crucial: Overseas we are participating as a key architect and builder of new institutions; we are in what social scientists call "the design business." This is quite distinct from what we do at home: shoring up a solid social structure designed two centuries ago, careful not to rock the foundations or undermine the pillars on which it stands. In Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other Third World countries, we participate in the ground-breaking, foundation-laying stage, one in which elements we can take for granted at home -- such as a thriving religious life within civil society -- must be provided.
The current U.S. position reflects, whether deliberately or unwittingly, the "end of history" conception that all ideologies are on their last legs as the world embraces the American (or Western) ideals of democracy, human rights, and free markets. This notion, in turn, is but an extension of the Enlightenment conceit that modernity is based on rational thinking, which religion is not, and hence religion is "history" while secularism (reason, science) is the future. Accordingly, societies in which religion is "still" playing a key role are considered behind the times, underdeveloped. As we are learning, however, all over the world people have spiritual needs that cannot be addressed, let alone satisfied, by Enlightenment ideals.
We are witnessing an explosive growth of Christianity in East Asia (in 2000, China had 3.5 million Catholics, up from less than half a million in the mid-1980s); on the Korean peninsula, where nearly a quarter of the population is Christian, a 4,000 percent increase from the early part of the twentieth century; and in Africa (360 million Christians in 2000, compared to 10 million in 1900). We find an "outpouring of pent-up religious [fervor]," as sociologist Alan Aldridge put it, in Russia (which nearly doubled the number of adherents to the Russian Orthodox Church from 1970 to 2000) and other former communist nations in Eastern Europe. And there has been a rise in Islam not only in countries that were never modernized, but even in those that have had extensive secular, modern periods -- such as, most tellingly, Turkey. In the United States, although there are continuous debates over the depth of American religious commitments and the possibility of a religious revival, no one doubts that religion is a major force in American life and that important elements of our civil society are faith-based. We should export to Iraq -- and to other countries challenged by fundamentalism -- our mixed secular and religious civil society.
The reason religion cannot be suppressed, why religion is reasserting itself where it was formerly stifled or thriving where it was never held back, is that it speaks to profound questions to which many millions of people seek answers. These are transcendental questions such as why we are cast into this world, why we are born to die, and what life's purpose might be. In addition, there are moral questions such as what we owe to our children, to our elderly parents, and to our friends, communities, and nations. Neither democracy nor capitalism speaks to these issues. Secular humanism does provide some answers, but not ones all find compelling; the answers deal largely with moral issues but much less with the truly transcendent ones.
The quest for spiritual answers of one kind or another is evident both in former communist countries and in Islamic countries in which the theocracy is breaking down (such as Iran) or has been ended (e.g., Afghanistan). In all these countries, the breakdown of tyranny precedes an explosive growth of new kinds of anti-social behavior. (I write new kinds of anti-social behavior because other kinds -- corruption or spying on one's friends, co-workers, and neighbors, for instance -- were, of course, quite common in the pre-liberation days.) These countries experience sharp rises in drug abuse, HIV, divorce, and crime. The New York Times Magazine published a particularly distressing account of the reemergence of pedophiles in Kabul, who did not dare act out during the Taliban days.
The reason is obvious: Once police terror as the source of social order is removed, it must be replaced by some other source or else moral and social anarchy will arise. Order in a free society rests primarily on people choosing to refrain from anti-social behavior because of their moral upbringing and the informal enforcement of social norms. No free society can make police the mainstay of its social order; law enforcement's proper place is as a backup to an order largely undergirded by morality. Sending the military police into newly freed countries and training local cops are of course necessary, but they will not curb anti-social behavior unless accompanied by a new moral code. Religion has been and very much still is one major source of such mores. The religion we should promote is compatible with democracy and not oppressive in its own terms and institutions. Call it a "soft" religion.
I KNOW A BIT about how receptive Shiites are to a non-Wahhabi, moderate, soft Islam because they laid out their position during a three-day meeting in Iran that I attended a year ago. It ended just as the holiday commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Hossein began. Although the reformers -- headed by Dr. Seyyed Ataollah Mohajerani of the International Centre for Dialogue Among Civilizations -- organized the meeting, several hardliners also participated. The main point, repeatedly stressed during the meeting, was that both Shia camps -- the hardliners and the reformers -- want to live in an Islamic society. The main difference between them is that the prevailing hardliners are committed to enforcing the religious code through morality squads, secret police, and jails -- in short, the government -- while the reformers favor encouraging people to be devout rather than forcing them to abide by the Prophet's dictates. The line most often repeated was: "If you do not force people to come, they will want to come."
A similar approach was laid out by professor Muqtedar Khan of Adrian College in Michigan, who writes:
Moderate Muslims aspire for a society -- a city of virtue -- that will treat all people with dignity and respect. There will be no room for political or normative intimidation. Individuals will aspire to live an ethical life because they recognize its desirability. Communities will compete in doing good and politics will seek to encourage good and forbid evil. They believe that the internalization of the message of Islam can bring about the social transformation necessary for the establishment of the virtuous city. The only arena in which moderate Muslims permit excess is in idealism.
Many have attempted to outline the features of a soft Islam in recent years, resulting in several typologies of liberal, modest, modern, and Euro-Islam that are contrasted with militant, virulent, and fundamentalist Islam. Naturally, there is no agreement about the interpretation of relevant texts and traditions. Nor is it possible (or necessary) to review this large body of literature here. Rather, I seek to list several key features of the sort of Islam the United States should support in those parts of the world where it must counter Muslim fundamentalism.
Soft Islam, as the Islamic legal theorist Khaled Abou El Fadl has described it, differs from the fundamentalist version in that it draws on the members of the community for consultations (sharia) rather than relying on rulings from the mullahs. The concept of sharia has been traced to the pre-Islamic era, when tribal councils decided important public issues through consultation. Professor Forough Jahanbakhish of Queen's University in Canada adds that most modern scholars hold that such consultative bodies should be composed of representatives of the whole community, and not just elites.
In 2001, President Mohammad Khatami of Iran, the leader of the reformers, stated that "the constitution [of Iran] states that the rule is Allah's... but it also states that this Divine rule is based on people's opinions. Man is Allah's representative on earth and the right to rule does not refer to any specific person. Rather, it refers to all those who participate in elections and set the government's agenda." Another principle discussed by some -- including Abou El Fadl in his book And God Knows the Soldiers: The Authoritative and Authoritarian in Islamic Discourse (University Press of America, 2001) -- is one attributed to the Prophet: that "every mujtahid [the person exerting effort in deducing the law] is correct." This means, according to Abou El Fadl, that "one must search for the law without fear of failure" and that while humans strive to discover the Divine Will, "no one has the authority to lay an exclusive claim to it."
Others have stressed that the Koran is open to different interpretations rather than commanding one strict, rigid, by-the-book line. As Khan writes in his essay "Who Are Moderate Muslims?":
Ijtihad narrowly understood is a juristic tool that allows independent reasoning to articulate Islamic law on issues where textual sources are silent. The unstated assumption being when texts have spoken reason must be silent. But increasingly moderate Muslim intellectuals see Ijtihad as the spirit of Islamic thought that is necessary for the vitality of Islamic ideas and Islamic civilization.... For moderate Muslims, Ijtihad is a way of life, which simultaneously allows Islam to reign supreme in the heart and the mind to experience unfettered freedom of thought. A moderate Muslim is therefore one who cherishes freedom of thought while recognizing the existential necessity of faith.
Abou El Fadl, a professor at UCLA, provides examples of conflicting Koranic interpretations in And God Knows the Soldiers. The Koran, he explains, commands believers, "Do not take a life which God has forbidden unless for some just cause." Yet what constitutes "just cause" is susceptible to debate. The Koran also instructs, "And do not kill yourselves." But whether smoking, for example, is a form of killing oneself is also a matter of debate. Regarding the veil or headscarf (hijab) worn by many Muslim women, Abou El Fadl writes:
Most importantly, the historical setting and the complexity of the early context do suggest that the inquiries into the juristic basis of the hijab cannot be considered heretical. In this sense, labeling the hijab as a part of the usul [the foundations of the faith upon which disagreement is not tolerated], and using that label as an excuse to end the discussion in the matter, is obscenely despotic. It might very well be that this is yet another legal issue where the law of God is pursuant to the convictions of the pious adherent.
That last comment is particularly important. When religions are moderated, whether the reforms include praying in the vernacular or allowing men and women to worship together, there is a common fear that the whole construction will unravel. Hence, drawing a distinction between an inviolate core and the other elements is crucial to fostering the sense that one can reinterpret the various religious dictates while maintaining the religion's essence. Soft Islam builds on this difference between the core and the rest; rigid Islam denies the existence of such a distinction. Thus, the Iranian historian and reformer Hashem Aghajari has addressed the question of the mullah's religious authority in this way:
The Protestant movement wanted to rescue Christianity from the clergy and the Church hierarchy -- [Christians] must save religion from the pope. We [Muslims] do not need mediators between us and God. We do not need mediators to understand God's holy books. The Prophet [Jesus] spoke to the people directly.... We don't need to go to the clergy; each person is his own clergy.
A particularly important case of divergent interpretations of Islam, one antithetical to a civil global society and one very supportive of it, is found in the debate over the meaning of "jihad." Some Muslims interpret jihad to mean "holy war." A group of sheikhs in Cairo, expressing this view, has determined that, "According to Islamic law, if the enemy steps on Muslims' land, jihad becomes a duty of every male and female Muslim." Before the recent conflict, Iraqi Imam Omar Hussein Asengawy issued a fatwa -- an authoritative religious ruling -- holding that all Muslims were obligated to wage war against the United States in the event of an attack on Iraq. "Let's wage jihad together," he told his coreligionists last December, "to face the enemy and the infidel." At the heart of the "holy war" viewpoint is the presumption that all nonbelievers are lower-grade human beings, contemptuously referred to as kaffir.
In other, civil interpretations, jihad is conceived as a solely spiritual struggle. Abou El Fadl writes, "Jihad-- means to strive, to apply oneself, to struggle, and persevere. In many ways, jihad connotes a strong spiritual and material work ethic in Islam." Islamic scholar Seyyed Hossein Nasr explains in The Heart of Islam (Harper San Francisco, 2002) that "jihad is therefore the inner battle to purify the soul of its imperfections, to empty the vessel of the soul of the pungent water of forgetfulness, negligence, and the tendency of evil and to prepare it for the reception of the Divine Elixir of Remembrance, Light, and Knowledge."
These writings represent a small sample of a huge body of literature, yet they illustrate the basic character of a soft Islam. Such an Islam seeks to educate and encourage good conduct rather than coerce it, is open to reinterpretation on all matters but its core, welcomes participation by the members of the community rather than dictates from the mullahs, and spreads spiritually rather than by the sword.
ISLAM, LIKE JUDAISM but unlike Protestantism, is much more a behavioral and less a theological religion. Promoting soft Islam in Iraq and elsewhere cannot be accomplished solely through scholarly symposia on the meaning of moderate Islam or by creating anthologies and delivering lectures, although these activities all have their place. We must turn to policy. The most effective way to develop such a conception is to embody it in new institutions for the whole world to see. Moreover, as we remain knee-deep in rebuilding Iraq, concrete questions -- not just matters of theory -- must be faced.
Schools provide an especially suitable environment in which to start to examine the third way between theocracy and a secular civil society. Education in several Islamic countries is carried out in madrasas. These are the places where young people are drilled in Wahhabi Islam and anti-Western principles and pumped full of rigid interpretations of religious texts, learning by rote, with next to no exposure to science and the liberal arts. Madrasas are common in theocracies such as the Taliban's Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and northern Pakistan. If the dominant Shiites in Iraq have their way, these schools will be introduced in that country as well. In place of the madrasas, Delaware Senator Joseph Biden has suggested that we should promote secular, American-public-school-like institutions.
Another alternative is to provide two tracks of education within public schools. One track would be essentially secular (although children would learn about religion), and the other would dedicate a significant proportion of the teaching -- say, 20 percent -- to religious subjects. (We may not wish to advertise to Iraqis that this approach is followed in Israel, but that example shows that the approach is feasible.) In Malaysia, in which there is a large Muslim population but a relatively moderate one, both secular and religious education are provided: Muslim children can attend secular school in the morning and religious classes in the afternoon.
To ensure that the religious part of public schooling is used for soft religious teachings rather than for fundamentalist indoctrination, the teachers, although as a rule from a given religious group (Shiites in southern Iraq, for example), need to be qualified and selected by the school rather than by religious groups, and the teaching material must be approved by the ministry of education.
This is a sound educational system for several reasons: It prevents fundamentalist education; ensures that all children will acquire the rudiments of modern education; allows those parents who seek it to secure a significant amount of religious schooling for their children with the costs covered by the state; and ensures that children of different backgrounds -- secular and religious -- will mix, an outcome that is prevented when some of the children go to segregated religious schools. Above all, such a two-track system allows a government to promote moderate religions without preventing anyone who (or whose parent) wishes to have secular education from gaining it. Thus, it is a prime example of how a government can promote religion and still ensure that it will be liberal.
The institutionalization of a civil society with religious elements may also proceed through the provision of social services. In several parts of the Islamic world (in southern Iraq, for instance), various religious bodies provide social services. In France, social services -- including health care, welfare, and child care -- are provided largely by the secular arms of the government. A third way would be to continue to utilize whatever governmental and secular voluntary social services are available and to expand them while also drawing on religious services -- the way it is done in the United States. Despite America's uncommonly strong commitment to disestablishment, the U.S. government relies to a significant extent on voluntary religious groups to provide many social services. This is done either by contracting with various religious groups for the provision of social services or by allowing religious institutions -- Catholic or Jewish hospitals, for example -- to receive Medicare and Medicaid payments via individuals who choose to be served by them. As of 2001, 75 percent of the funding for the Jewish Board of Family and Children Services came from government sources. Catholic Charities' programs receive about 66 percent of their funding from government grants and contracts, and Lutheran Services in America receives more than 33 percent of its annual budget from government funds. Indeed, the United States is expanding its reliance on faith-based institutions following the Charitable Choice Act of 1996 and the Bush administration's faith-based initiative. All this could be applied to Iraq, relying on what amounts to two-track social services -- those provided by government agencies and those provided by faith-based institutions. Here too the government would impose some limitations on the ways in which religious groups can use public funds. Specifically, it would require that the funds be used fully for social services and not for political action or fundamentalist indoctrination.
Finally, a government keen on promoting a two-track civil society might pay the salaries of the Muslim clergy and the maintenance costs of mosques. To Americans this may seem highly controversial and a gross violation of the separation of church and state, but it is a common practice in many democracies: In Catholic countries such as Spain and Italy, for instance, as well as in Scandinavia and Germany. (In some countries, this is done indirectly; in some cases, the government collects a special church tax from those who attend church, but the net effect is that the clergy are publicly supported and not dependent on passing the plate.) Once the government pays for clergy, it is free to determine who qualifies as such. Fundamentalist preachers will surely not be banned from practicing, but they will not do so on public dollars. A group of moderate clergy may advise the government on who is qualified to serve in the public religious sector.
One may ask, "But what about Christians and other religious groups?" The same arrangements would apply to them. Social services could be delivered by these religious communities, their clergy compensated, and two-track teaching provided. Lest this sound too abstract, one should note that despite our insistence on the separation of state and church, we in effect are a two-track society; this reality is well illustrated by the fact that we allow various religious authorities to conduct marriages that are recognized by the state and also enable people to be married in a civil ceremony without any religious trappings.
The trouble is that so far, we have been approaching Iraq as if we favor only secular institutions. The 13 points released by the U.S. Central Command headquarters in Qatar in mid-April state that Iraq must be a democracy, that the rule of law must be paramount, and that the role of women must be respected -- all of which are fine, but all speak to the secular elements of the future Iraq. A two-track approach to constructing a civil society in Iraq, one that provides ample room both for soft Islam and for secular institutions, not only would serve better in countering fundamentalism than sheer secularism, but also would respond to a wider array of human needs.
MUCH OF THE recent literature on Islam focuses on the question of whether Islam is or can be made compatible with a democratic regime, an inquiry closely related but not identical to the question of whether there is a soft Islam that can serve as an antidote to Islamic fundamentalism. Can Islam live with free elections, tolerate a free press, grant equal rights to women, tolerate secular authorities, and the rest? Although there is little agreement on this subject, one of the earmarks of soft Islam is that it can coexist with democratic political institutions.
To provide but one example: Treating women as men's equals in moderate Islamic societies, instead of in the demeaning and abusive way of Islamic fundamentalism, draws on two rather different principles. One is respect for the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other more general, secular liberal political theories, which extol the virtues of individual dignity and individual rights. Another is a soft interpretation of Islam based on arguments such as those made by Forough Jahanbakhish in Islam, Democracy, and Religious Modernism in Iran, 1953-2000 (Leiden, Netherlands: Koninklijke Brill, 2001): Previous generations have misinterpreted Islamic sources, and the inferior status of women is a product of the social conditions at the time of the Koran, not the moral teachings of it. In Nine Parts of Desire: The Hidden World of Islamic Women (Anchor Books, 1995), Geraldine Brooks questions whether rules that were clearly meant to apply only to the Prophet's wives, such as seclusion, should have been extended to all Muslim women.
The significance of the difference between these approaches is that if one draws, for political legitimacy, merely on respect for the U.N. Declaration and the ideals associated with it -- that is, on Locke and Kant, the Founders, and the Federalist Papers -- one in effect presumes that support for democracy must be secular. If one also draws on soft interpretations of Islam, one finds that Islam can be made compatible with democracy so that promoting religion as an essential element of civil society will not hinder the development of a liberal democracy. As Daniel Pipes, a scholar of the Middle East, has put it, "militant Islam is the problem, and moderate Islam is the solution."
It follows that by promoting soft Islam we get two for the price of one: We promote a religion that is compatible with liberal democracy as well as one that can serve as an effective antidote to the fundamentalists. I take it for granted that Iraq should have a democratic form of government. But it should be one that does not treat religion per se as a threat but, potentially, as a mainstay of civil society, and hence as something that should be promoted -- that is, to be sure, in its soft, moderate forms.
This article first appeared in the October-November 2003 issue of Policy Review. Reprinted with the permission of the journal and the author. Amitai Etzioni is a University Professor at George Washington University and author of the autobiography My Brother's Keeper: A Memoir and a Message (Rowman & Littlefield, 2003). Amitai Etzioni's book From Empire to Community: A New Approach to International Relations, in which a version of this essay appears, will be published by Palgrave Press in April, 2004.
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IAEA to meet on Iran, Libya nuclear programs
www.chinaview.cn 2004-03-08 13:11:10
VIENNA, March 8 (Xinhuanet) -- The governing board of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) will start a five-day meeting on the nuclear programs of Iran and Libya on Monday, during which two resolutions will be discussed.
Libya has agreed to dismantle its program under the supervision of the IAEA. But Iran, though claiming its innocence, has long been accused by the United States of using its atomic energy program as an excuse to build a bomb.
According to the IAEA's recent report on Iran, its inspectors had unearthed designs and parts for the advanced "P2" uranium enrichment centrifuge, capable of producing bomb-grade uranium, and uncovered experiments process in the creation of plutonium andpolonium, which can be used in nuclear weapons.
As to the report, Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hamid RezaAsefi denied the existence of the advanced nuclear equipment, describing those reports as "unfounded." He stressed that Iran's nuclear activities are intended for peaceful purposes and the country has not pursued and still does not pursue any nuclear weapons program.
On Sunday, Iranian Supreme National Security Council secretary Hassan Rohani said through state television that it was time for the IAEA to close the 13-month investigation into Iran's unclear program.
In an effort to dispel suspicion over its nuclear program, Iransigned an additional protocol to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) last December, allowing unfettered UN inspections to its nuclear facilities. Enditem
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Saudi Arabia, China sign natural gas deal
www.chinaview.cn 2004-03-08 11:38:53
BEIJING, Mar. 8 (Xinhuanet) -- The Saudi government signed on Sunday morning a deal on natural gas drilling and production with the China National Petrochemical Corp (SINOPEC), according to a SINOPEC official.
The deal was inked by Saudi Minister of Petroleum and Mineral Resources Ali Bin Ibrahim Al-N'aimi and chief of SINOPEC Wang Jiming.
The agreement, covering an area of 40 square kms in the south of Saudi Arabia's Rub Al Khali Province, was also signed by the chairman of the leading Saudi Arabia oil provider, Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO), Wang told reporters after the signing ceremony.
Wang said the project was a landmark in the Sino-Saudi ties in general and in the bilateral economic and trade co-operation in particular.
He hailed the deal as a strong link which further cements the full-fledged relations between China and Saudi Arabia, saying he is confidence in the success of the deal and the project would hopefully bear fruits for both sides when it goes into operation.
He disclosed the total spending in the first phase of the project was set to be US$300 million, adding that SINOPEC has already made contacts with several banks over the funding of the scheme and some Saudi banks showed willingness to step in.
He said on January 27, SINOPEC secured an international tender staged by the Saudi government for gas excavation and production at the contracted zone.
Under the deal, SINOPEC and ARAMCO will launch a company for drilling and production at the contracted zone with ARAMCO holding a 20 percent quota.
Meanwhile, Al-N'aimi is also expected to sign two similar deals here in the day with the Russian Lock Oil on one hand and the Italian Iny and the Spanish Ribsol on the other.
Lock Oil will drill and produce natural gas at the A zone which covers 30,000 sq m and the two European partners will work at the 52,000 square km C zone, both at Rub Al Khali.
Last November, Saudi Arabia clinched deals for natural gas drilling and production with the international Shell and Total and the national ARAMCO groups. The three companies were offered concession terms up to 25 years and concession area of 210,000 square kms at Rub Al Khali too.
The projects were part of the Saudi government's reform and opening up policies in the economic field. Enditem
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Saudis deny political motive in gas deals
Riyadh |By A Staff Reporter | 08-03-2004
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Saudi Arabia yesterday ruled out any political motive in its choice of partners as it put the final seal on a series of groundbreaking gas deals with foreign companies.
The kingdom, which has the world's fourth largest deposits of gas, put pen to paper on contracts with Russia's Lukoil, China's Sinopec and an Italian/Spanish consortium.
The agreements marked Saudi Arabia's first invitation to foreign groups to make competitive bids for rights to explore for its gas.
Equally surprising was its choice of partners. None of the four winning bids came from an American company. But Saudi Oil Minister Ali Al Naimi played down any significance in that. "We actually chose the best bidders, and we are in fact very pleased at this diversification," he said yesterday in Riyadh.
Saudi Aramco took a 20 per cent share in each of the three contracts awarded. Although it announced the awards in late January, the deals did not become official until now.
The kingdom wants to use its undeveloped gas as fuel for an ambitious range of planned industries, including plants to treat and desalinate water and factories to make petrochemicals, steel and cement.
Despite Naimi's denials Martin Purvis of Edinburgh consultancy Wood Mackenzie said the auction's outcome appeared to be "a political play" concerning Russia and China.
Russia is Saudi Arabia's main oil rival. China, meanwhile, is a major buyer of Saudi crude. Its rapid economic growth will make it a still bigger market in the future.
Saudi Arabia hopes to build closer ties with both countries. There is, Naimi said: "No question in my mind that strengthening the economic relations will strengthen other areas of cooperation."
Sinopec's vice chairman Wang Jiming agreed, saying his company's involvement in the Saudi gas business would "help further to promote the country-to-country political relationship" between China and Saudi Arabia.
To find gas, Saudi Aramco's foreign partners must each explore an area larger than Kuwait.
Lukoil president Vagit Alekperov said his company was prepared to invest $3 billion over the life of its contract, and Sinopec suggested that it would consider investing a similar sum.
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Two private enterprises have signed an agreement to transport some 250,000 cubic metres of liquefied natural gas (LNG) daily in tanks from Northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region to the southern coastal city starting in June.
The project will save tens of millions of yuan a year for power plants and some industrial companies in the city's suburban Bao'an District, which will continue to use diesel as a major source of fuel before the LNG pipelines reach the area in 2006.
Shenzhen Tianmin Ltd, a privately funded company involving LNG trade and transportation, said its partner, Xinjiang Guanghui Group Ltd, will provide 60 million cubic metres of LNG annually in the beginning.
The first phase of Guanghui's LNG project, which is located in Tuha in Xinjiang, is expected to reach a daily output of 1.5 million cubic metres, or an annual production of about 500 million cubic metres.
Tianmin has invested 100 million yuan (US$12.0 million) to enable and ensure the safe transportation of 250,000 cubic metres of LNG from Xinjiang to Shenzhen - a 4,300 kilometre trek, said Wu Yihao, deputy general manager of Tianmin. He said this would be done with the use of advanced professional vehicles equipped with a container for cryogenic liquid as well as a Global Position Satellite system (GPS).
The company's annual transportation capacity will reach 300 million cubic metres, or about 820,000 cubic metres daily, by the end of this year, he added.
In 2005-06, China's first two LNG terminals are expected to be employed in Guangdong and Fujian, carrying liquefied natural gas from Australia and Indonesia.
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Japan, S.Korea Agree to Cooperate on N.Korea Issue
Sun Mar 7, 2004 09:06 AM ET
TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan and South Korea agreed on Sunday to work closely to persuade North Korea to abandon its nuclear arms ambitions, but gave only a passing attention to thorny bilateral issues.
Visiting South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon held talks with his Japanese counterpart Yoriko Kawaguchi in which they stressed that their countries should cooperate on the North Korean issue, a Japanese official said.
The discussions followed six-country talks in Beijing last month on ending North Korea's nuclear weapons programs.
"At the last round of the six-party talks, Japan, the United States and South Korea worked well in closer cooperation with one another and moved a step forward," the official quoted Kawaguchi as telling Ban.
The February talks involving the United States, North and South Korea, Japan, Russia and China ended only with an agreement to set up a working group and hold a third round of discussions in the Chinese capital before the end of June.
But there was little evidence that those talks had narrowed the gulf between North Korea and the United States.
Washington has accused North Korea of pursuing a uranium enrichment program to make nuclear weapons.
North Korea repeated in Beijing its denial that it had a clandestine enriched uranium weapons program in addition to the plutonium-based bomb-making project it is offering to freeze in exchange for energy aid and diplomatic concessions.
"It is important for us to continue to urge North Korea to accept the complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantlement of its nuclear weapons programs," the Japanese official quoted Ban as telling Kawaguchi.
Ban flew to Tokyo only days after a row flared between Japan and South Korea over postage stamps showing a group of islets claimed by both states in a long-standing territorial dispute.
A group of Japanese lawmakers applied Friday to be allowed to buy customized stamps showing the group of islets, under a system where customers can have stamps made with their favorite images.
The row over the rocky outcrops, known as Takeshima in Japan and Tokto in South Korea, flared in January when Seoul issued stamps featuring the flora and fauna of the islands, despite protests from Tokyo.
The dispute over the islets, uninhabited except for a garrison of South Korean soldiers, has run since the end of World War II.
During Sunday's meetings, the Japanese and South Korean foreign ministers did not discuss the stamp issue, the Japanese official said.
The official also said the two ministers did not touch on another thorny issue -- visits by Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi to Tokyo's Yasukuni shrine, which honors war criminals as well as ordinary war dead.
Since taking office in 2001, Koizumi has outraged Japan's Asian neighbors four times with visits to the shrine, seen as a symbol of the militarist regime that led Japan into war.
Kawaguchi and Ban stressed that the two Asian neighbors should deal with bilateral issues "sensibly" to prevent the feelings of the peoples from running high, the official said.
Many Koreans still harbour bitter memories of Japan's colonial rule of the Korean peninsula from 1910 to 1945.
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>> PENTAGON WATCH...
>> NOT THAT ABRUPT? CONVERSATIONS....
Abrupt Climate Change
PART 1: Severe storms in the Netherlands and a prolonged drought in Europe leading to unprecedented human migration -- these are some of the scenarios laid out in "Imagining the Unthinkable," a report recently issued to the U.S. Department of Defense on the possible worst-case effects of abrupt climate change. Host Steve Curwood talks with Peter Schwartz, one of the co-authors of the report, about the human consequences of such a scenario.
PART 2: Living on Earth continues the conversation on abrupt climate change, as host Steve Curwood talks with Leon Fuerth, former national security advisor to Vice President Al Gore, about the military and economic implications in the event of a rapid shift in global climate.
PART 3: National security and politics aside, the paleo-record of climate change shows strong evidence that an abrupt shift in climate could be headed our way. Host Steve Curwood talks with Daniel Schrag, professor of earth and planetary sciences at Harvard University, about the science behind abrupt climate change.
CURWOOD: From the Jennifer and Ted Stanley studios in Somerville, Massachusetts, welcome to Living on Earth. I'm Steve Curwood.
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CURWOOD: For moviegoers across the country, Memorial Day marks the release of a film based on a concept of abrupt climate change. It's Mother Nature gone wild, in the much-anticipated disaster flick, "The Day After Tomorrow."
[SHRIEKS OF PANICKING PEOPLE]
MALE 1: [LIVE NEWSCAST] Lower Manhattan is literally inaccessible.
[ROAR OF TERRIFIED CROWD]
MALE 2: [LIVE NEWSCAST] There's a wall of water coming towards New York City...
CURWOOD: Tornadoes dismantle Los Angeles, hail the size of grapefruit pummel Tokyo, and Manhattan freezes over in a single day as abrupt climate change makes its debut on the big screen.
MALE: Save as many as you can.
New York City gets hit hard in a global ecological catastrophe
in the movie "The Day After Tomorrow."
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CURWOOD: This Hollywood scenario may seem far-fetched, and the science of the flick is a bit wobbly. But a recent report to the Pentagon, based on an assessment from the National Academy of Sciences, points out abrupt climate change may be a very real threat to national and international security. "Imagining the Unthinkable," as it's called, outlines a worst-case-scenario in the event of a massive and abrupt shift in global climate - shifts that have happened in the relatively recent past.
One of the authors of the Pentagon report is Peter Schwartz, a future scenario planner. He frequently consults for the Defense Department. Peter Schwartz, welcome to Living on Earth.
SCHWARTZ: Thank you. Glad to be here.
CURWOOD: Now, your work makes you no stranger to the Defense Department, but - I have to ask you - you've been a consultant for Hollywood, right?
SCHWARTZ: Yes.
CURWOOD: What are some of the movie projects you've worked on?
SCHWARTZ: Well, the first one was a film called "War Games" back in 1981, then another one called "Sneakers," both computer hacker movies. Then another one called "Deep Impact," also a kind of worst case scenario, if you will, given what we're going to talk about, of a comet coming toward the earth and how you might respond to it. I worked with a good friend Walter Parks on all three of those, and then with Steven Spielberg on "Minority Report."
CURWOOD: And I can't help but ask you then, what's your take on this upcoming movie "The Day After Tomorrow"? And were you involved in its production in any way?
SCHWARTZ: I wasn't, but I was asked to be. I chose not to be, mainly because this is pure entertainment. They weren't really interested in making a realistic view. I think they were enamored of a number of the images that turn up in the movie. And that's okay, this is pure entertainment.
CURWOOD: Now, you and some of your partners at your office recently drafted a report for the Pentagon entitled "Imagining the Unthinkable," which is a worst case scenario for abrupt climate change. Why paint such a scenario in the first place? Why is climate change a military concern?
SCHWARTZ: Well, this begins, first of all, with the National Research Council report called "Abrupt Climate Change," which looked at the possibilities for a scenario of abrupt climate change. The Pentagon, not surprisingly, read that report, the senior staff there, and said `we should consider whether this might have some national security implications.' That's what triggered our study.
And so it was an exercise in thinking the unthinkable. And from their point of view, the unthinkable means `could this happen soon, and could it be much more severe than most climatologists would say?' So, if you think back to just only a few years ago, you might have wished that somebody had thought about what might happen if terrorists would send airplanes into tall buildings and buildings in Washington. It's in that spirit. It isn't trying to predict the future, it was trying to say `what if?'
CURWOOD: Now, there's a lot of information in the 22 pages you put together here, Peter Schwartz. Can you give us the bullet points of what you found?
SCHWARTZ: Well, most significantly, it is this: what we're saying is that, while it is unlikely, the most extreme case would be a scenario of fairly rapid warming in the near future - the next, say, decade or so - that would in turn trigger rapid cooling. What would happen is that the ice in the poles would begin to melt, as we're already seeing some of. Glaciers would begin to retreat. Both of these would release fresh water into the North Atlantic. Increased precipitation associated with all of that might also lead to rivers producing more fresh water to the North Atlantic. That freshening of the North Atlantic, which we have been seeing, would then trigger a collapse of the Gulf Stream. It would move several thousand miles south. It would no longer bring warm water to the North Atlantic, warming, particularly, Europe, parts of the northeastern United States and Canada.
And that would be part of a larger shift of a similar nature in a number of parts of the world in the kind of heat balance mechanisms, particularly of the ocean currents. So that's the kind of mechanism that triggers first warming and then cooling. The cooling would be something on the order of, over the northern hemisphere, of about five degrees or so over a decade or so. In fact, what we are describing is a picture of a world very similar to what happened 8,200 years ago, when the world's temperature, particularly in the northern hemisphere, dropped a similar five degrees in roughly a decade, stayed down for a century, and came back up for a decade.
CURWOOD: Let me just ask you one more thing on the science. People talk in terms of global warming. How do you explain to them that you see a cooling here?
SCHWARTZ: Well, global warming is another possible scenario. We have a fair amount of uncertainty about what's likely to happen. In fact what we could see - and as we emphasized, this is the worst case scenario - more likely is that you might see 50, 75 more years of warming that then could trigger a cooling. Or the cooling might never happen. I am personally of the mind that the more likely scenario that history tells us, is that we will get some sustained warming, and then we will experience abrupt cooling. The history of climate change is more often abrupt change, and it has frequently been large scale over very long periods of history.
CURWOOD: For the moment, let's assume that the worst case scenario that you were asked to conjure up is happening. Could you lay out a timeline for us, what would be happening in the United States over the next few decades?
SCHWARTZ: Sure. The immediate effects would be you'd start to see more variability in the weather. You'd see more severe storms, you would see more torrential rainfall, you might see very short winters, very little snow, more rain. One of the impacts that is plausible, but hard to predict, would be a shift in the location of tornadoes. There is believed to be a belt of tornadoes off-shore in the south. You might see more coming on-shore. So those would be some of the kinds of symptoms of a kind of disruptive change under a way in the warming phase.
In the cooling phase what you would see is more severe winters, the kind of thing that you're experiencing right now. But the more important thing you would see is a gradual diminishment of rainfall and then a movement into what we're calling mega-droughts, i.e. they would probably be regional, in what we've thought, more likely, would be the southeast. But it could also be the Midwest or the far West as well. You know, again, think the 1930s here. This is similar to that. It's not much worse, except for one important detail, which I'll come back to in a moment. But - extended droughts over years, five, six, ten years even. And leading therefore to significant fall in reservoirs, in rivers, and so on.
And the thing that is importantly different in terms of its consequences this time, as compared to the 1930s, was that in the 1930s we still had substantial reserves of groundwater we could tap. And while the effects were severe, they were ameliorated in part by the groundwater. We no longer have those reserves. That water is all committed, or used up in some cases. That is, the big aquifers of America are now fully committed. So we don't have spare capacity to deal with the rapid drop in rainfall. So that's the kind of trajectory we're talking about.
CURWOOD: In terms of conflict in the United States, what could happen with our neighbors? Like, what happens with Canada, for example?
SCHWARTZ: That's a very good question. I can imagine a scenario where things got so bad in Canada that some people might want to head south, but frankly I don't think the issues will be to the north. More likely they'll be to the south. And we have two key bodies of water, namely the Colorado and the Rio Grande that, in effect, we share with Mexico. And we already have issues about managing both of those. And in this scenario that could be very severe and produce pressure for migration northward, on the one hand, and disruptions to the management of the water and conflicts over water that we share with Mexico.
But another one that we've already begun to experience some issues over is fishing rights in the Atlantic. We've already seen struggles between Spain, Portugal, and France over fishing rights there, ourselves with respect to the Europeans and the Canadians in the Grand Banks. This could be a really significant issue, because, of course, the fish move with changing temperature of the seas as well. When the ecosystems of the seas change, the locations of the fish change. And we have now become dependent on various fish populations in both sides of the Atlantic. And you can imagine conflicts over access to fishing.
CURWOOD: Now, what are some of the geopolitical things that you forecast here in your scenario? What happens to people and politics under the scenario that you paint?
SCHWARTZ: Well, we see, for example - right now, an example of something that is the kind of consequence we might have to deal with and the kid of political issues - the unraveling of Haiti, and should we intervene or not. One of the possible disruptions is to water supplies in the Caribbean and Central America. The United States has already several times been hit by waves of refugees from that part of the world. And it is not at all implausible that we could be doing better, and others worse, and we could be hit - immediately in our environs, from the Caribbean, Central America, maybe even Mexico, but especially Central America and the Caribbean - with very large numbers of people headed our way. How do we cope with it? Should we intervene in advance? Should we send them water supplies rather than let them come here? There's all kinds of important political questions, technical questions and so on that would have to be resolved. And we're suggesting thinking about those kinds of things in advance, rather than having to improvise in the moment.
CURWOOD: Now, you write also that a possible reaction here in this country to abrupt climate change might be to turn inward, committing our resources to feeding our own population, shoring up our borders and managing increasing global tension. But how does the United States manage this global tension if at the same time it's closing itself off to the rest of the world? I mean, wouldn't this create even more tension?
SCHWARTZ: You're exactly right. I mean, that is the heart of the issue. That's part of why we're warning of this. We have an instinct to kind of stay at home, as it were. And under these circumstances you can imagine much of the population, particularly if there are significant disruptions and high costs domestically, saying, you know, let's take care of our own. Meanwhile you can imagine a political leadership looking around the world and saying, God, there are really terrible things, we've got to be helpful. And if we don't, that will still some home to us eventually one way or the other, and we better deal with it over there than over here. Now caught between a populace reluctant to intervene and the necessity of intervention. And we've been there before. And that kind of situation, I think, is not at all implausible in this circumstance.
CURWOOD: What happens to your report now that you've handed your findings over to the Pentagon?
SCHWARTZ: Well, unfortunately this has gotten a lot of negative publicity, in the sense that particularly The London Observer both implied that the Pentagon tried to suppress the report on the one hand, and secondly that they exaggerated our conclusions, made it a prediction rather than a worst case scenario. And then turned it around and said, well, see, this proves that the Bush administration is wrong. So, in fact, the likelihood is that very little will happen as a result of it. Had it been able to proceed in a more appropriate fashion, it would have been considered along with many other possible scenarios regularly considered by the office of net assessments and the Secretary of Defense's office - that they consider as the routine part of their thinking in the long run.
CURWOOD: So, let me see if I understand this right. Because the public and the press has kicked this around in perhaps, from your perspective, an overly dramatic fashion, it means that the Pentagon can't think about this at all?
SCHWARTZ: It means that this kind of thing gets suppressed for a while. It will come back up again. But it means that this is a taboo topic because you have a meeting about it, and it leaks out to the press again, and it just keeps the storm going, if you know what I mean.
CURWOOD: Peter Schwartz is a future scenario planner and chairman of the consulting firm Global Business Network, part of the Monitor Group. Peter, thanks for speaking with me today.
SCHWARTZ: My pleasure.
CURWOOD: Coming up, we'll continue the climate change conversation with two perspectives on the science and security implications of global warming. We'll be back in a minute, stay tuned. I'm Steve Curwood, and you're listening to NPR's Living on Earth.
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CURWOOD: Welcome back to Living on Earth, I'm Steve Curwood. We've been talking about abrupt climate change, and "Imagining the Unthinkable," as a recent report to the Pentagon is titled. This document outlines a worst-case scenario of abrupt climate change that would cause massive disruptions in agriculture, the economy, and international diplomacy.
So far, the Pentagon has had no public comment on the report of its consultants. But soon climate change may be a hot topic on the national security agenda. With me to talk about the security implications of abrupt climate change is Leon Fuerth, Professor of International Affairs at George Washington University, and the former national security advisor for Vice President Al Gore. Leon Fuerth, welcome.
FUERTH: Thank you.
CURWOOD: Well, we've heard from a consultant to the Pentagon that an abrupt shift in climate could turn out to be a critical issue of national security if it should occur. I'm wondering if you could tell me from your own experience, working as a national security advisor here in the United States, Leon Fuerth, what do you think would happen strategically around the world? What changes, what imbalances in strategic alliances would happen, do you think?
FUERTH: I think what would happen is that the world as you knew it, organization as you knew it, relationships among states as you understood them, the rules of economics as you had understood them would all be shifting. I mean, our territory would remain inviolable, but our business may go to hell. At the level of strategic alignments, one of the continents that would experience the greatest dislocation would be western Europe, where the place would become much, much colder, possibly with the effect of severely damaging the economy of the northern tier of countries and causing a lot of people to try to move south, and creating tremendous internal migration problems for the European Union at the time.
CURWOOD: If there is a country in the world that the United States has a lot of business to do with in the diplomatic sense, in the world power sense, it has to be China. The scenario says that China's going to have pretty serious water problems, and that means food problems. It's a quarter of the world's people, and today they're rich and technologically savvy. What might happen between the United States and China in such a world?
FUERTH: Interesting question. One of the determinants is do we continue to need to borrow half a trillion dollars a year to finance the debt of the federal government of the United States, most of which has been coming from China. And it works out in a giddy sort of way. They lend to us so that we can buy their products.
Now if, let's say, two administrations from now, all of a sudden the climate patterns in China begin to shift drastically, it's natural to believe that trade, economy, and other issues are going to also be disturbed.
So, one of the things I think the United States should do in its own interest is to make itself less dependent on the scale of borrowing than we have been. Because if any of our creditors, for any reason, finds themselves unwilling or unable to continue to lend to us at this rate, then that house of cards can come down.
CURWOOD: So, Leon Fuerth, if you were the national security advisor today, what steps would you advise that the United States take to deal with the possibility of such a climate scenario?
FUERTH: First of all, I think we need a major effort to acquire better modeling in order to be able to calculate as accurately as possible, and in real time, what some of the effects might be. I would begin having people work out planning scenarios, including some of the social, economic, and political consequences in parts of the world where, let's say, the agricultural cycle is disturbed. Better to have people playing these mind games over what might occur while we still have time to think about action than to wait until the evidence is on hand that we're in the middle of it.
CURWOOD: What do you suppose is going on in the Pentagon now and in the Bush administration in the aftermath of this report?
FUERTH: Not much. I mean, what's interesting about this is that this is not like Orson Wells "War of the Worlds," where what you had was a fantasy that was put out there, which inadvertently frightened the public. What you have here is a response to a request from the Department of Defense for a scenario - imagine something. But what they did was imagine a thing on the basis of an event they considered quite possible. And so what it carries is a message, which is: it's time to get real about this while we still have the luxury of time and resources and allies to work the problem.
CURWOOD: Leon Fuerth is professor of International Affairs at George Washington University, and the former national security advisor for Vice President Al Gore. Thanks for taking this time with me today.
FUERTH: Thank you.
CURWOOD: We've been talking about the economic and political consequences of abrupt climate change, in light of a recent report to the Pentagon called "Imagining the Unthinkable." The authors stress that the scenario they paint "pushes the boundaries of current research on climate change." With me to talk about what we do know within the boundaries of climate science today is Daniel Schrag, professor of earth and planetary sciences at Harvard University. Hello, sir.
SCHRAG: Good day.
CURWOOD: What should you as a scientist - let's say the Defense Department calls you up and says, Professor Schrag, as part of our national security assessment, we are on the lookout for signs of abrupt climate change. What do you look for?
SCHRAG: There are a few possible modes of abrupt climate change that we've seen in the past, in the geologic past, that we could look for in the future. The most obvious one would be an instability in the large ice sheets on Greenland or Antarctica. So, if the West Antarctic ice sheet or if the Greenland ice sheet started to exhibit some very unusual behavior, and we thought that a large amount of ice might slide off the continent and into the ocean, this could cause a very abrupt rise in sea level. And would damage coastal cities around the world, devastating world economies.
CURWOOD: Hm, hmm. Now, Professor Schrag, the Defense Department is worried about this. They tend to have a short-term view of things. The effects that you've been talking about so far seem to be decades away. I'm confused - why is the Defense Department so concerned, apparently over the short-term here?
SCHRAG: Well, what I'm talking about may take years to decades to actually happen, and no one knows exactly when these sorts of things can occur, but one shouldn't think that these effects are just decades away. The truth is no one knows. We are already experiencing a world that is substantially warming because of human activities. We know this from the melting of ice in the tropics up at high altitudes, Kilimanjaro and in the Andes, and a lot of other pieces of evidence that tell us global warming is happening now.
CURWOOD: Now why does melting of ice in the tropics indicate global warming?
SCHRAG: Well, this is a really powerful piece of evidence that climate change is happening now. The middle of the troposphere, the middle of the atmosphere near the equator, is a very stable region of the atmosphere. There's very little weather there, there's very little variability. And so, as a result, if one starts to see warming there you know that it's a global signal, because there's very little variability normally.
In the case of these tropical glaciers, Lonny Thompson, from Ohio State University, has shown that these glaciers are melting for the first time in thousands of years. So that proves that it's not a 100-year cycle, or a 500-year cycle. This is truly an extraordinary event coincident with the enormous rise in carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels. And to me, that's the most compelling evidence that climate change is happening now.
Now, when we cross certain thresholds that lead to abrupt change, no one has any idea. We don't think that Greenland or West Antarctica are going to melt and drop into the sea in the next 10 years. On the other hand, if they suddenly crossed an instability and started to collapse over a period of a few years, it would be too late to do anything about it. And no one knows exactly when that happens. So to me it makes sense that the Pentagon is planning for all sorts of possibilities, just like an insurance company.
CURWOOD: What kind of shape is the West Antarctic ice sheet in right now?
SCHRAG: Well, it's hotly debated. Some scientists think that the West Antarctic ice sheet is so large and massive that it's insulated from all changes, and that it takes thousands of years for the ice sheet to adjust to the warming that we're experiencing now. Other scientists think that there are mechanisms that we don't understand very well, whereby the ice sheet can actually move and adjust very rapidly. And if that's correct then we are in danger of that amount of ice falling into the ocean. And that amount of ice represents a substantial amount of sea level change.
CURWOOD: On the order of?
SCHRAG: On the order of six meters or so.
CURWOOD: 18 feet of more water.
SCHRAG: And that would pretty much wipe out every coastal city in the U.S.
CURWOOD: And how soon could that happen?
SCHRAG: Well, if it went in over a period of even a hundred years it would mean devastation. You can't even begin to calculate the amount of damage that that would do to the U.S. economy. And to the global economy. And if it went faster than that, which is possible, we'd really be in trouble. I think that really gets to one of the points about climate change. We're doing an experiment on the earth that hasn't been done in millions of years, and no one knows what's going to happen. And if we suddenly decide that a disaster's going to befall us, we may not be able to turn back the clock. Because the system has so much momentum, and is so powerful, we can't just assume that we can fix it.
CURWOOD: You folks who look at the changing climate often use computers to model. In fact that seems to be the basis of a lot of the predictions of the warming that's coming. How well do these models work when you look back at these other changes thousands and millions of years ago? How well do these computers predict something we already know the answer to?
SCHRAG: That's a very good question. It turns out that the answer is that sometimes they work very well, and sometimes they don't work very well. And of course a model is most interesting when it doesn't work well, because it tells us that something's missing. Remember that the models are only as good as the physics that we put into the model. And therefore the models reflect our understanding of the climate system based on modern observations, primarily over the last 50 years or so. Now, we're entering into a mode of climate with high atmospheric carbon dioxide that we haven't been in for tens of millions of years. So nobody has the right set of observations to completely describe the climate system in this mode.
What's interesting is about 50 million years ago, the earth was very warm. We think that carbon dioxide was high. We don't know exactly how high, we think maybe 1,000 to 3,000 parts per million, which is not that far off from where we're going to be 100 to 200 years from now. Now, at that time there were crocodiles living up in Greenland, there were palm trees in Wyoming. Palm trees can never have cold winters, and there were palm trees thriving in Wyoming, where today it gets very cold. Antarctica was a pine forest. Sea level was about 150 meters high than today. It was a completely different world. And the question is, can these models produce it? And when you try to put high carbon dioxide in the models and let them try to simulate the climate, it turns out they don't do a very good job. They actually don't get the world warm enough. There's something missing in the models that is a positive feedback that amplifies the effect of the carbon dioxide. But if that effect kicks in, the warming could be much more severe than the models are predicting.
CURWOOD: Yeah, I was going to say, you're starting to scare me here.
SCHRAG: Well, we should be scared.
CURWOOD: You're saying the models that are predicting this rather large shift don't predict these biggest shifts from the past. Therefore, we're missing something here.
SCHRAG: You know, we've been hearing in the debate about climate change in the public a lot of rhetoric that says because the climate scientists aren't certain, we should wait and not do anything about it. For me it's exactly the opposite. It's our lack of certainty, which is why we should do something now. Because the answer could be much worse than we expect. Climate change could be much more severe than anyone thinks.
CURWOOD: This summer there's going to be a movie out of Hollywood. I think it's called "The Day After Tomorrow." It paints an apocalyptic scene of, actually, the northeastern United States pretty much freezing over.
SCHRAG: I know. I get a lot of pleasure from looking at the preview. I show it in some of my talks. Unfortunately, I think that's probably a very unlikely scenario. I think the idea comes from the idea that the Gulf Stream will somehow collapse when the thermohaline circulation of the Atlantic stops. And therefore this will lead to an ice age and everything will freeze. The truth of the matter is that if the thermohaline circulation stops, it will affect a region around Britain and Scotland, but will probably not affect New York much at all. The movie was by the maker of "Independence Day," and I think after destroying Washington, D.C., he wanted to destroy New York City, and he found a way to do it.
CURWOOD: Why now all this attention to the question of abrupt climate change? The Greenland ice core samples that you told us about have been around for a long time, demonstrating that it didn't take more than a few decades to change a lot of temperature. And yet today, folks like the Defense Department, folks in Hollywood, are suddenly paying attention to the question of abrupt climate change. Why is that happening?
SCHRAG: I think there are powerful forces in our society that have a lot of economic stake in our current energy technology, and are resistant to change. And therefore have promoted the idea that this was just a theory, that climate change was just an idea that scientists had that they weren't sure about, and discouraged action on this front.
And I think a variety of different sectors of our society are beginning to wake up to the fact that we can't just put our head in the sand and hope that it goes away. We know that climate change is a serious risk. The probability of it being dramatic is very high, probably greater than 50 percent. And yet we're willing to spend almost nothing to protect ourselves. We need to buy at least some insurance. And to me, the minimum insurance policy is that we actually should have the technological capacity to do something about it. At the very least, we should be able to change our behavior if we want to. Right now we can't even do that.
CURWOOD: Daniel Schrag is a professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard. Thanks for taking this time with me today.
SCHRAG: Thank you.
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Scientist 'gagged' by No 10 after warning of global warming threat
By Steve Connor and Andrew Grice
08 March 2004
Downing Street tried to muzzle the Government's top scientific adviser after he warned that global warming was a more serious threat than international terrorism.
Ivan Rogers, Mr Blair's principal private secretary, told Sir David King, the Prime Minister's chief scientist, to limit his contact with the media after he made outspoken comments about President George Bush's policy on climate change.
In January, Sir David wrote a scathing article in the American journal Science attacking Washington for failing to take climate change seriously. "In my view, climate change is the most severe problem we are facing today, more serious even than the threat of terrorism," he wrote.
Support for Sir David's view came yesterday from Hans Blix, the former United Nations chief weapons inspector, who said the environment was at least as important a threat as global terrorism. He told BBC1's Breakfast with Frost: "I think we still overestimate the danger of terror. There are other things that are of equal, if not greater, magnitude, like the environmental global risks."
Since Sir David's article in Science was published, No 10 has tried to limit the damage to Anglo-American relations by reining in the Prime Minister's chief scientist.
In a leaked memo, Mr Rogers ordered Sir David - a Cambridge University chemist who offers independent advice to ministers - to decline any interview requests from British and American newspapers and BBC Radio 4's Today .
"To accept such bids runs the risk of turning the debate into a sterile argument about whether or not climate change is a greater risk," Mr Rogers said in the memo, which was sent to Sir David's office in February. "This sort of discussion does not help us achieve our wider policy aims ahead of our G8 presidency [next year]." The move will be seized on by critics of Mr Blair's stance over the Iraq war as further evidence that he is too subservient to the Bush administration. It will also be seen as an attempt to bolster the Prime Minister's case for pre-emptive strikes to combat the threat of international terrorism, which he outlined in a speech on Friday.
Sir David, who is highly regarded by Mr Blair, has been primed with a list of 136 mock questions that the media could ask if they were able to get access to him, and the suggested answers he should be prepared to give. One question asks: "How do the number of deaths caused by climate change and terrorism compare?" The stated answer that Sir David is expected to give says: "The value of any comparison would be highly questionable - we are talking about threats that are intrinsically different."
If Sir David were to find himself pushed to decide whether terrorism or climate change was the greater threat, he was supposed to answer: "Both are serious and immediate problems for the world today." But this was not what Sir David said on the Today programme on 9 January when the Science article was published.
Asked to explain how he had come to the conclusion that global warming was more serious than terrorism, Sir David replied that his equation was "based on the number of fatalities that have already occurred" - implying that global warming has already killed more people than terrorism.
The leaked memo came to light after a computer disk was discovered by an American freelance journalist, Mike Martin, at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Seattle, where Sir David gave a lecture.
"The disk was lying on the top of a computer in the press room and I popped it into the machine to see what was on it," said Mr Martin, whose own article is published on the ScienceNow website, an online service operated by Science.
Mr Rogers' memo, written a few days before the Seattle conference, was aimed at limiting his exposure to questions from US and British media. While in Seattle, Sir David sat on a panel of scientists at one carefully stage-managed press conference, but his press office said he was too busy to give interviews afterwards to journalists.
Lucy Brunt-Jenner, Sir David's press officer, said she could not comment on internal government documents but said it would be wrong to suggest that Sir David was in any way muzzled. "Sir David had a press conference and he was available to the media at three times," Ms Brunt-Jenner said.
But Norman Baker, the Liberal Democrats' environment spokesman, said: "It's a clear attempt by the Prime Minister to keep Sir David quiet. The Government's chief scientist is the nation's chief scientist and I'd expect him to say what he thinks."
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Missing Gulf War pilot's family wants to interview Iraqis
Associated Press
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- An attorney representing the family of missing Navy pilot Scott Speicher is asking for permission to interview captured Iraqi officials to see if she can determine what happened to the pilot who was shot down 10 years ago in the first war with Iraq.
In a letter faxed to U.S. Sens. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., and Bill Nelson, D-Fla., attorney Cindy Laquidara said she had independent evidence placing Speicher in the custody of the man known as Chemical Ali, former Iraqi Gen. Ali Hassan al-Majid.
Al-Majid, captured by coalition forces in August, was considered to have been Saddam Hussein's hatchet man and the one who ordered a gas attack that killed 5,000 Kurds in 1988.
Laquidara also wants the government's help in locating Iraq's former ambassador to the United Nations, Mohammed Aldouri, for additional questioning.
In 2002, Laquidara traveled to New York and met with Aldouri. When Saddam Hussein was ousted, he left New York.
"We either are not capable of closing this matter following a war or we do not choose to pursue the answer," Laquidara's letter said. "Either is unacceptable."
Nelson's office said copies of the letter were given to Secretary of State Colin Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Calls to Laquidara's office Thursday were not returned.
At a recent briefing, Nelson learned the Defense Department was now not planning to offer the reward of up to $1 million that was authorized by Congress to learn the fate of the Jacksonville-based pilot.
Nelson wrote a letter to Rumsfeld asking him to not reconsider his earlier decision on offering a reward.
"I believe such an action would be a mistake," Nelson said. "At the very least, it would send a clear signal that finding out what happened to Scott Speicher is no longer a top priority."
Pete Contosgavlos, a Nelson aide, said, "Rewards in countries like this can be effective."
Earlier this week, Adm. Vern Clark, the chief of naval operations, said investigations in Iraq since the fall of Baghdad have found no evidence that Speicher was held in captivity after being shot down on the first night of the 1991 Gulf War.
The Iraqi government under President Saddam Hussein maintained from the start that Speicher died in the crash on Jan. 17, 1991, although his body was not recovered.
Speicher was 33 when he was shot down. He held the rank of lieutenant commander at the time; he has since been promoted to captain.
Speicher's family lived in the Kansas City area and moved to Florida when he was a teenager.
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